Post 9951 History

C. L. Elms Post 9951

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C. L. ELMS

"Post 9951 History"

 

Chartered: Sept 27, 1965

Original Location: Bangkok, Thailand

New Location:

Commander-in-Chief:

 

Updated information provided by James Oden 9 December 2005

A Brief History of Post 9951

 

It is often not clear how a particular VFW Post is assigned a particular number. If a Post surrenders its charter, after a time the National Headquarters may re-issue that number to a new Post. So it is with the VFW Post # 9951.

According to a document on file from the Office of the ADJ GEN, the first time the number 9951 was issued was to a Post formed in Shanghai[1] China on 1 April 1949. That Post lasted only two years. In 1953, 9951 was re-issued to a Post formed in Toul, France, which subsequently moved to Nancy. That Post became defunct in 1964.

When a VFW was chartered in Bangkok Thailand in 1965, 9951 was issued for a third time. The official date of inception of the Bangkok Post was SEPT 27, 1965. For a few years, the Post was simply known by that name The Bangkok Post. In AUG 1968, the Post sought permission from the family of Charles L. Elms to use his name for the Post’s. In FEB 1972, Nat’l HQ made this official. [see below]

Reportedly, the Post nearly folded in 1976 as the Armed Forces completed their pullout from Thailand following the Vietnam War. Membership had fallen off to under 50 (down over two-thirds) after a period of rapid growth in the early 1970s. It was to the credit of the local retired members, especially James A. Brown and Albert Lyman that the Post remained viable. Unfortunately, all the Post records prior to 1977 seem to have been disposed of.

Post Membership data: (per records obtained from Nat’l HQ)

1970

1971

1972

1973

1974

1975

1976

1977

1978

1979

15

20

24

20

141

95

44

61

62

77

 

1980

1981

1982

1983

1984

1985

1986

1987

1988

1989

64

83

89

79

95

110

125

148

153

154

 

1990

1991

1992

1993

1994

1995

1996

1997

1998

1999

64

172

172

177

179

186

187

197

193

208

 

2000

2001

2002

2003

2004

2005

       

209

209

220

226

234

         

 

Soon after it’s founding in 1965, Post 9951 showed a membership of 94 (as of Mar 66) The Post has shown steady growth since 1980 and that year was the single decline in membership since a low point in the 70s. Having crossed 100 in 1985, it grew steadily to >200 by the end of the millennium.

Post 9951 is sustained by a large number of retirees and veterans who have chosen to live in Thailand. Approximately 50% of the membership, however, lives in the US or elsewhere. Many of these members served their country in Thailand and have maintained an allegiance to 9951 since those days. Records indicate that the longest serving current member joined the Post in 1966.

 

An analysis of the current membership at the end of 2003 indicates that less than 10% of the current members joined the Post before 1981 and just over half have joined the Post in the past 10 years.

Date joined members

Before 1970

2

1%

86-90

45

21%

71-75

8

4

91–95

35

16

76-80

8

4

96-2000

53

24

81-85

26

12

After 2000

42

19

 

Post 9951 has met in literally dozens of locations in the past 40 years. Some of the longest serving is the current JUSMAGTHAI location and the Capital Mansion Hotel on Paholyothin Rd. from 1973-76 and the “Jim George Hall” at Washington Square Soi 22.

Post records indicate that 9951 has faithfully participated in Thai Memorial Day (3 Feb) and ANZAC Day (25 APR) ceremonies at least since the early 1980s and likely before. Whenever there has been a celebration of the 4th of JULY by the American Community, 9951 has been present for duty. Likewise, the Post has held graveside ceremonies at the Catholic and Protestant cemeteries in Bangkok every year.

 

Post 9951’s Namesake

 

Charles L Elms was a member of VFW Post known then as the Bangkok Post at the time of his death on May 12, 1968. He was the first member of the Post to pass away, so the membership sought permission from his family and Nat’l HQ to name the Post after him. His daughter writes, “Dad was a very patriotic American and was proud to serve in any way he could.”

 

As an only child of Arthur and Betty Elms, he grew up in Glens Falls, New York, where according to his daughter Betty (named after her grandmother), “his mom was a stern and loving mother and his father worked in a quarry and volunteered as a firefighter. They had a cabin on Lake George where Chuck spent his summers on the water and was an avid skier and swimmer.” In 1959, at the age of 17 and immediately after graduating high school in Glen Falls, he enlisted in the Coast Guard. There he served as an Electronics Technician. He served an 18-month tour of duty in Vietnam. He also participated in the rescue of Cuban refugees in 1965 while serving on the CG Cutter Lamar in the Florida Straits. He was stationed at the Port Arguello Loran Station in Lompoc, CA at the time of his death in an automobile accident.

 

In the September 1968 letter to his parents requesting permission to use his name, the Post’s SVC Donald Mowl notes that Chief Elec Tech Elms was known to the Post members as “chief” and that he was “one of the really active members of our post.”

It is not precisely clear how he became associated with the Bangkok Post.

 

Betty Elms Weimer further writes, “ My Grandparents are very proud of my father and have been a wonderful connection to him. Having grown up without him in my life I have been very fortunate that he has left such a legacy for my siblings and me. I am proud to have had him for a father and wish I could have had more time with him. It is truly an honor that you have an interest in him and that his memory goes on in your Post.”

 

Year Post CDRs Meeting locations
1965-66 Swain, Billie T. various hotels: Rama, Trocerdora, Rex
1966-68 Malmgren, Robert Victory hotel, AUA auditorium, Atlanta hotel, various homes Soi 39 and 63
1969-70 Oppenborn, Fred B. Soi Suan Phlu off Sathorn Rd.
1971 Henry, Jesse J.  
1972 Oppenborn, Fred B  
1973 Cutsforth, Thomas L Capitol Mansion Paholyothin Rd
1974 Reck, William L Turpin, Joseph I Johnson, Neil  
1975-76 Wodenscheck, Albert W. Soi 22 Sukhumvit
1976-77 Grubb, Norman E. (resigned MAY 77) Watson, Ken I. (resigned JUL 77) Royal Bangkok Sports Club & Asoke Bowl
1977-78 Coons, James M. (resigned AUG 77) Brown, James A. My Lady Lounge Soi Cowboy
1978-79 Dyste, John B. Mitch and Nam’s restaurant
1979-80 Nestle, Burt G. Star Bowl, Crown Pizza.
1980-81 Crabb, William V.  
1981-82 Kee, Thomas, A. (Al)  
1982-83 O’Neill, Hugh W Jones, Emory Jr. JUSMAGTHAI compound
1983 Woodfin, John. R, (died in office Jan 84)  
1984-86 Vileo, Leon R. (Dick) “Jim George Hall” Soi 22
1986-87 George, James W.  

1987-88

Luckinbill, Robert, D. McRae James W. Edward J.George  
1988-89

Jones, Robert L.

 
1989-92 Nestle, Burt G. JUSMAGTHAI compound
1992-93 Evers, Peter J.  
1993-99 Nestle, Burt G.  
2000-01 Brayshaw, Lester Nestle, Burt G.  

2001-04

Karwacki, Jerome J.  
2004- Oden, James E.  

last updated Dec 05


[1] In 2002, Leroy Johnson transferred his Life Membership back into 9951. He showed a membership card proving that he had been a member of the Shanghai Post in the 50s.

US and Thai Veterans Together

Many Thai Korea War Vets proudly wear the shoulder patches of the 2nd INF DIV and the 1st CAV DIV in their reunions and ceremonies.

With the opening of hostilities in Korea in June 1950, Thailand was among the earliest nations to contribute troops to the war effort. Elements of all Royal Thai Military Forces, Army, Navy, and Air Force were dispatched.

RTA 9951 04-vets.jpg (36239 bytes)

The Royal Thai Army 21st Regimental Combat Team was initially attached to US 187th Airborne RCT in Nov 1950. In Feb 1951, the Thai RCT became part of the 1st Cavalry Division and fought in the battles of Chunchon and Hwachon. Later, re-designated as the Thai 1st Battalion, they garnered much praise at the battle of Uijongbu. The King of Thailand awarded that BN the King’s Colour Ribbon for their battle flag. Before being transferred to the US 2nd Infantry Division in 1952, they fought at the battle of T-bone hill in June 1951 and held a portion of the Jamestown Line. By October 1952, they were occupying a key position on Pork Chop Hill where they again fought with distinction during the Chinese counter-attack. Surviving a fierce attack on 1 MAR 53, they counter-attacked and took Monty Hill from the enemy forces on 11-12 MAR.

Following the Armistice, the Thai contingent was reduced to Company size but remained until JUN 1973.

RTN

Two Corvettes of the RTN delivered the above RTA RCT to Pusan in NOV 1950. They were then assigned patrol duty at the Sasebo Naval Base. While operating above the 38th Parallel in JAN 1951, the HTMS Prasae was lost in a storm, while the HTMS Bangpakong continued to patrol. The US then provided two Frigates to be manned by the Thai Navy. One was re-named HTMS Prasae to substitute for the lost Corvette and the second named HTMS Ta-Chin. The HTMS Bangpakong returned to Thailand in FEB 1952. The two Frigates maintained escort duty through the Armistice.

RTAF

Operating out of Japan, three Thai C-47s provided air transport and air evacuation capabilities flying hundreds of sorties into Korea. Following the Armistice, they remained in Korea as part of the UN Command until 1974. In addition, the RTFA staffed an Air Evacuation Team for 29 years.

All in all, nearly 13,000 RTA, 2500 RTN and 799 RTAF personnel served in this conflict. 136 were killed in combat and 469 wounded. 9 RTA were awarded the US Legion of Merit; 39 the Silver Star and 30 the Bronze Star.

Each year, members of the VFW Post 9951 join their Thai counterparts in a wreath laying ceremony at the Victory Monument on Thai Veterans Day 3 FEB. WE are honored to stand by our fellow Vets who stood by us in Korea, Vietnam and now Iraq.

Last updated 14 FEB 04

 

Pictures of the Past

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9951 Mem RvrKwai.jpg (35935 bytes) Dist 5 Memorial 9951 anzac day.jpg (45061 bytes) 2001 Wreath Laying, CDR Nestle ANZAC Day

9951 Kwai Bridge.jpg (25909 bytes) Bridge over River Kwai 9951 pows.jpg (49943 bytes) Former POW's at ANZAC Day Ceremonies

9951 cere1.jpg (17336 bytes) Honor Guard 4th Jul 9951 golsmith.jpg (53245 bytes) CINC Goldsmith Visits BKK

 

9951 Vetday5.jpg (91201 bytes) Veterans Day at JUSMAGTHAI 9951 ABM House.jpg (149725 bytes) AMB's Residence Nov 11, 2001

9951 Cook.jpg (51331 bytes) Grave of Ralph Cook

9951 Thai War Vetzs.jpg (56175 bytes) Dist 5 Commander Dick Vileo prepares to lay wreath to Honor Thai Vets

9951 Thai Honor Gd.jpg (29841 bytes) Thai Honor Guard Fires Salute

9951 04-vets.jpg (36239 bytes) Thai Veterans

 

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